Microsoft's Moore likens PS3 to Dreamcast
In a recent interview with Next-Gen, Peter Moore had some interesting thoughts on the current state of affairs for the PS3. Specifically, Moore offhandedly compares the machine to one with which he is intimately familiar: the Dreamcast. When The implication here, obviously, is that the PS3 is failing as the Dreamcast did. We would be remiss in our duties if we didn't note that the PS3's situation is vastly different than that of the Dreamcast. SEGA was coming off the unsuccessful SEGA Saturn before it launched the initially successful Dreamcast, only to watch it get crushed under the matte black boots of the PS2. Sony, on the other hand, is coming off the incredible success of the very console that killed the Dreamcast in the first place. Still, details aside, the meaning of the comment is clear, and those, Mr. Moore, are fighting words.
Looking past the initial swipe at Sony, the interview covers a fairly substantial range of topics. These include the Xbox 360 Elite, the continued existence of the Core 360, and how Microsoft plans to expand its software lineup. Hit the "read" link to check it out.
[Via Joystiq. Thanks, PacoDG]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Mitch @ May 16th 2007 4:06PM
This arrogant jackassery has to stop. Very little do we see insults from Nintendo or Sony about other consoles. Yeah, Sony brags, but they don't outright talk down about the 360 or Wii so much as Moore does. The guy pisses me off something fierce. He's the representative everyone knows, he should grow up.
TheGuy @ May 16th 2007 4:10PM
Although this is coming from Peter Moore, a man involved in the failure of the Dreamcast, I give little credibility to his comments because it's coming from Peter Moore, a man involved in the failure of the Dreamcast. Sony isn't doing as bad as SEGA was with the Dreamcast. Sorry Moore, you may be resentful at Sony for crushing the Dreamcast, but Sony is here to stay.
LOL @ May 16th 2007 4:23PM
LOL Poor Poor Sony going the way of One of The Best Console Made.... **DREAMCAST**
Poor Sony Fanboys, Nothing better to do then Spam, & watch the Real Ultimate GAMING Console Going STRONG XBOX 360 Site Baby!!!
ROCK ON!!!
Luke @ May 16th 2007 4:25PM
Ok so I really did read the article I just could not get past the picture. I now know where Star Trek got the idea for Klingons. Except Klingons don't smile :)
Grant @ May 16th 2007 4:26PM
i still love my dreamcast.
Mr. Moore, if your insisting they are so similar i will have no choice but to shell out $600 for a crapstation, but the only way i can afford such is to sell my 360. so? Mr. Moore, the balls in your court.
Knight Marquise @ May 16th 2007 4:29PM
Richard~
Top notch. This blog site has to much class compared to it's console counterparts, it boggles the mind. THis could have easily been fed to the masses of 360 fanboys as tender flame bate and subsequently used to trash the PS3, but you pointed out why the similarities don't truly jive. I've seen another fansite actualy twist headlines, to the point of yellow journalism, just to be used as flame bate and trash the 360. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. X3F has class.
@ Mitch
Hello? McFly? Anyone at home? If you truly believe Sony hasn't talked trash, and trashed the 360, as bad if not worse then Mr. Moore, you're either:
1. Uninformed
2. Ignorant
3. Sony Fanboi
Which one is it?
W
Toph @ May 16th 2007 4:30PM
The PS3 isn't the Dreamcast: there still exists hardcore fans of the Dreamcast to this day that love Capcom fighting games, especially. Also, the Dreamcast gave us games like Shenmue. I've never played that game, but even I know it was a game that made a footprint.
No, the PS3 is more like Sony's own PSP: Billed as revolutionary, end-all, be-all, and superior to the rest of the market.
Niether the PSP or the PS3 are any of these things, but but it does share some of the other PSP traits:
It was sold for video purposes over games, overly expensive, shiny and fingerprint-ey, designed and sold for uses gamers never asked for, ultimately underwhelming, and won't see any interest by the mainstream gamer for years after it's released.
..The Dreamcast should feel offended to be likened to the PS3!
blasphemizer @ May 16th 2007 4:32PM
I would be glad if the PS3 failed. I don't like Sony, and it would be great to see them topple over. Every interview I have read with any one from Sony, particularly the head of their U.S.A. division has left me with a bitter taste. I will not be buying another Sony system for a long, long time. That said it is a near impossibility that the PS3 will actually fail.
YourMother @ May 16th 2007 4:41PM
I wish someone would ask this clown Moore about the 360 hardware having a failure rate off the charts. I would buy one tomorrow if I didn't think it would blow up the day after tomorrow. So my alternative is PS3 which is a superior piece of equipment that has, alas, no software. Next Gen will have to wait for my $. Basically it's a race - can Microsoft adjust the hardware so they produce 360's that actually work for a reasonable amount of time like say 3 years? Can PS3 get any decent games out there that are not ports? Which ever corporate giant gets their collective a$$es together on these issues first wins my dollars. Eventually I would hope they both get their act together and I own BOTH but I don't think that will be possible until at least early 2008 at best. I guess it's the $5 used Xbox game isle at EB for me for another 9 months or so...
mcr @ May 16th 2007 4:58PM
@9 Just go ahead and get a 360 and spend a little extra on an extended warranty. I got a 360 shortly after launch and it eventually suffered the 3-rings failure, but in the meantime my family was able to enjoy it for nearly a full year. When the 3rings finally came, I plopped it in the box, drove to bestbuy and was back home playing the new one less than an hour after the first one failed. Was I disappointed? Heck yeah, but Microsoft had JUST extended the warranty to a full year so I was at least a relieved that I didn't have to use my "one pop" extended warranty coverage, BUT, as I said, had I waited on getting a 360 until I was sure all the "bugs" were worked out, I would have missed over 18 months of enjoyment with the system.
There are so many great games to play on the system right now (and you can entertain yourself for hours with the demos and XBLA games), and with Forza 2 hitting the shelves in a couple of weeks, life's going to be REAL good for quite a while. Plus, Microsoft keeps adding functionality with their dashboard updates - the 360 just keeps getting better and better with age.
mcr @ May 16th 2007 5:00PM
and by the way, I think it's been proven many times that the PS3 holds no significant overall advantage over the 360, and in many direct comparisons on cross-platform titles it seems that the 360 may even hold an overall edge in terms of performance.
YourMother @ May 16th 2007 5:30PM
mcr,
Let me explain what I meant by PS3 being a superior piece of equipment:
1) reliable - they don't blow up if you look at them wrong like 360's do
2)arguably better tech like HDMI, blu-ray, wireless - more future proofed - again this is arguable but the machine reeks of quality.
3) The PS3 core has a ton of potential that could make the system eventually become a lot more powerful then the 360. However this potential will remain mostly untapped for the foreseeable future as no game developers seem willing to put a ton of $ into developing for it exclusively. Unless the PS3 market share rises enough to warrant it, why would a developer incur significant extra cost to code specifically for the cell and not be able to port to the 360 very easily? Also, blu-ray format gives PS3 games a lot more space to work with. However, like the cell, this is another "potential". Potential is nice but results matter. Sony PS3 needs more results. I group "Home" into this category a s well. It demo's nice but lets see if for real.
Hardware issues, aside, I agree that the xbox 360 right now is the clear choice for next gen. The games library, the mature live system, the lower initial console cost, and some kick ass exclusives - clearly they are dominating in every way. PS3 long term will age better but if they don't get off their a$$es now their won't be a long term.
I eat because of Microsoft products (software developer) so I am not anti-Microsoft. What I do demand is my hardware to actually work and right now what MS is doing with the 360 is ridiculous. I do not think that if I pay $400 for a system that I should expect to have to send it in every few months for a refurb or return it to a store after spending even more $ for an extended warranty. Microsoft approaches the 360 like they do with their software - patch and replace. I can live with software being like this but not their hardware. I'm waiting until they get it ironed out before I take the plunge. Greta games are useless if your 360 is constantly being shipped back and forth in the official MS coffin.
JJ @ May 16th 2007 6:06PM
I'm still amazed that some people (Blashpemizer) wish companies to crasha nd burn simply because they dont like ONE piece of equipment from them.
Why would you wish a whole company like MS or Sony (Who do more than just make video game systems mind you) to go out a business just becuase you dont like the 360 or PS3 or what have you? Thats just a really ignorant comment and bothers me even more than usual fanboy fare.
Bottom line, All 3 consoles have a need to exist if only to spur the other companies to give us better products.
I'd hate to see the gaming landscape if there was only one choice of system.
kered @ May 16th 2007 6:18PM
I don't know if you guys remember this, but at the final E3. Sony said "The next generation of gaming don't start until we say so!" That says alot about Sony, and they where stuck-up and now they still don't have anything to show as a game console. Oh, and dont forget the pre-rendered video they had everyone beliving it was in game footage. Simply, they are paying for their sins!
kered @ May 16th 2007 6:23PM
YourMother, guess what I can't pop in potential and play it. I can;t dl potential play that either. Hitler had potential, but he got crushed like the bastard should have. Sony's not evil like Hitler, but they are pimping you. Wake up and smell reality. Sony isn't king anymore and that's that.
Joshua Campbell @ May 16th 2007 7:07PM
...Let me go back to my $760 dollar investment, I wont say the name, I"lll just call it "Blu-Ray Player" , while my cousin's 360 gathers dust, he baught a "Blu-Ray Player" recently...boring post, thought there was proof and fact.
Kira @ May 16th 2007 7:20PM
Well done Moore. SCE had it coming.
Steve Beeching @ May 16th 2007 8:05PM
I'd liken it more with Sega Saturn, overpriced, and offered nothing exceptional for gamers.
Dreamcast was an innovator, playstation 3 isnt.
popozao @ May 16th 2007 9:31PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here (this is my first post) but isnt the PS3 not that expensive? Seriously think about it for a minute: How much would you pay for a cd player for a car? A couple years ago my friend spent ~$800 for one b/c it had a nice display and did what he wanted it to. $600 is really not that bad for bleeding edge tech AND a blu-ray player. Not that $600 bucks is nothing, but seriously, I dont make a ton of money, but with like 2 weeks of overtime (couple hours here and there) I was able to afford one. What alot of the PS3 hating seems to be like is the PS2 hating going around right b4 and just after PS2 launched. I think both systems are marvels of engineering, but imho I think the PS3 is the better tech and the better buy.
YourMother @ May 17th 2007 12:15AM
kered,
Sony aint pimping me - I haven't bought a next gen system yet. If anything, M$ is pimping you with a $400 console that breaks down every few months. Thanks for beta testing it for me. When (more like "IF") it's stable and $250 in a year and a half and games are $50 instead of $60 I will jump in. Xbox fanboys need to be asking Moore why they can't engineer a stable system yet they can nickel and dime you to death for old crap arcade games on Live?
Kid Pyrrhic @ May 17th 2007 12:46AM
The comparison Moore is trying to make is that the PS3 is turning out like the Dreamcast. People praise and rejoice at the mere mention of of its name, but the system had no real system sellers except for Soul Calibur 2. Everyone bought it because it had potential and developers chatted it up and everyone assumed it was the next sure thing. Much like people are doing/did with the PS3.
But no one was buying Power Stone, Crazy Taxi, or Shenmue. Hell, Sega was only doing first print runs of 20,000 copies for major releases like Shenmue, a game that was supposed to sell the Dreamcast. Most folks I know (I promptly sold mine before the market fell apart) only have Resistance and maybe MotorStorm. For a console that is supposed to change the way I play games, that isn't good in anyone's book.
Champloo @ May 17th 2007 6:48AM
I'll say this, I agree with Mr. Moore (in a way). I think the PS3 is a solid piece of hardware, with a great deal of potential, but at the moment (things could obviously change in the future) they *are* looking very "Dreamcasty". That is to say, a great piece of hardware that was just slightly ahead of its time. The Dreamcast had tons of great features that were really promising, but came 2 - 3 years too early.
This is what I think about the PS3... it limited itself with its own plan. You see, the PS3 has a more powerful core, as a whole, than the Xbox 360, that's true. While right now the games may look identical, eventually it will probably surpass the 360 visually...
However, the difference is that the PS3 has a 10 year plan, whereas the Xbox 360 is a 5 - 6 year system. What I'm saying is that by the time the PS3 surpasses the 360 visually, Microsoft will be releasing a new Xbox 360-2, and that being next-next-gen, will obviously blow the PS3 out of the water from a power standpoint (it will be a situation similar to how the PS2 is now to the next-gen systems).
And the thing is, this is a self-perpetuating cycle. The Xbox 360-2 will come and blow the PS3 away from a pwoer standpoint, and then a couple years later the PlayStation 4 will be released and blow the 360-2 away. And that will just never stop. Of course all of that depends on if the PS3 can shake off its current Dreamcast syndrome.
CravenMorHead @ May 17th 2007 7:33AM
Why? why do MS keep talking shit about the PS3? in my opinion, it just shows that they truly fear the PS3...
It's too early to tell my friends... and the PS3 is outselling the Xbox360 in the same time span... they have a pretty good line up comming up too... the race is no where near over, it has, infact, not even begun... Sony has yet to show all of its cards (home), while is seems Xbox has already shown how far 360 tech can go (Gears of War)...
this is a very ignorant statment by moore...
groo @ May 25th 2007 8:26PM
Must be nice for people that coughed up 600 bucks for a PS3 to wait to see what there machine can do. How would you like to pay a ton of money expecting something and your told "just wait its gonna get better". Nice job