No Falcon technology in HDMI Premiums

by Dustin Burg { Aug 12th 2007 at 11:00AM }

Over on the NeoGAF forums, forum member wonderkins posted pictures of his freshly cracked open HDMI featured Xbox 360 Premium console to see if it had the new heatsink or the new 65nm chips. His findings were that the latest 360s rolling off the assembly lines do feature an extra heatsink, but they do not include any new 65nm "Falcon" technology just yet. We know that some of our fellow fanboys are huge tech buffs and will be sad to hear that news, because all they've wanted for their mid-August Christmas has been Xbox 360 65nm tech. But keep your chin up eager 65nm hopefuls, because the technology is guaranteed to be rolling out within' a few months, so you'll just have to wait a little bit longer.

[Thanks, Ryan Hartman]

Tags: falcon, hdmi, premium, xbox360

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)

ryan @ Aug 12th 2007 11:08AM

i really hope that the 65nm chip will be a big difference. i went through like 5 last winter. all loud and buggy. i was really unimpressed. but my friend had his since launch. so i dunno, can't hurt to try a 65nm falcon this fall eh?

oh and how would we know if it is one or not?

footlong! @ Aug 12th 2007 11:09AM

I'd be upset about this but I don't have any money right now anyway so whatever.

NeoteriX @ Aug 12th 2007 11:12AM

*sigh* and I'm still waiting for 65 nm... since last Christmas. I have 1k stashed away to go on an xbox shopping spree the second 65nm drops.

Hermes @ Aug 12th 2007 11:14AM

what exactly is the difference to the one now? it just wont break as much?

Sean @ Aug 12th 2007 11:28AM

lol. He could have found this out without opening his 360. There is a marking somewhere on the packaging box which states the Xbox version. The HDMI-360's currently show 'Zephyr' (the chipset included in the Elite). 'Falcon' will be on the box when they're using the 65nm technology.

Teabag @ Aug 12th 2007 11:29AM

Supposedly, 65nm chips run much cooler than 95nm chips.

What i don't understand is, i have a Core 2 running at 3.2Ghz, on the same speed as the 3 cores in the 360. I have a crappy case (like the 360) but i have a good Zalman cooler on top of it but it still idles at 51. And maxes at 66. I can't see how 360 will not break with the new 65nm chip. The airflow is really poor in the 360 and my pc case is much better in that regard.

rcrico @ Aug 12th 2007 11:39AM

can someone explain the benefits of the 65 over the current chip? better graphics???

Tony @ Aug 12th 2007 11:42AM

It'd run cooler, less chance of overheating, essentially. If the new heatsink is enough, though, it's not like you'd notice much of a difference.

It won't affect power or graphics or anything.

ryan @ Aug 12th 2007 11:44AM

i'm hearing it also makes parts smaller. might even be able to fit the power brick inside it.

maybe not till the 45nm chips tho...

ZeroCorpse @ Aug 12th 2007 12:52PM

It make NO practical difference-- Certainly not a difference worth skipping playing 360 games for two years, anyway.

I will again note that my launch 360 NEVER overheated. Never gave the RROD and never gave me a single problem. My later-model 360 with the quieter optical drive (the only reason I switched) has also never given me a single problem related to heat.

The bulk of the people saying they have problems with overheating are not putting the 360 in a properly-ventilated area, or they're burying the power supply in a bunch of other cables and dust, or they're sitting the 360 on top of other components (TV, stereo, cable box, DVD player, etc.) or putting it on the FLOOR, where carpeting and dust and crap get into the vents and gum up the works.

The majority of overheating problems are caused by users. Yes, some do overheat, but most 360s when handled properly do not.

The 65nm chip will NOT change these people's behavior. The idiots that don't read the manual and insist on sticking their 360 inside an enclosed space, entertainment center with a door, on the carpet, or on other components will STILL have an overheating problem. They'd have that with 45nm chips, too. The heat problem these people are having has nothing to do with the 360 itself-- It's user error.

Will the 65nm chip cut down on overheating at all? Yes. In like 5% of cases, perhaps. Will it make a difference in gaming, or make it any more possible to stash your 360 inside something else? Nope.

The 360 overheats no more than various (redesigned, recalled) variations of the PS2 did, and saying that the users are blameless is just wrong. Sometimes it's obvious, and sometimes users lie.

ZeroCorpse @ Aug 12th 2007 12:54PM

heh heh.

"Makes" ...not "make"

And "various variations" -- I like that one. It's early. Leave me alone.

el Hazard @ Aug 12th 2007 1:01PM

@ZeroCorpse

the older versions will still be louder than hell with a fan working overtime to keep the damn thing cool.

MS themselves admitted it's a pretty hot system. why do you think they fixture a HEAT SINK in every broken 360 now?

65nm is a good thing. we will wait, especially this fall when more than just Gears of War will be available for a system that will cost 1/3 less than what you paid for at launch. =)

Royston @ Aug 12th 2007 1:19PM

@ZeroCorpse - you're a cock. How many people have to have their system overheat, and at what percentage of failure rates will convince you it's a hardware issue, and not just the end user's fault?

Just because you are lucky enough to have a unit that has never gone kaput (there are many of you out there), doesn't make you some sort of genius in the positioning of your box. You are just LUCKY.

Fact is, the box has a overheating problem, regardless. You can cut down the chances of it happening - but it still can happen no matter what. It's quite a sad thing to say, but I actually hope your machine gets RROD just so you can experience the pain of other people who look after their box and position it properly, but it still breaks (as happened to one of the writers here on fanboy - check the pictures to see how he positioned his genius boy).

Pat @ Aug 12th 2007 1:39PM

I don't think his response makes him a "cock," but I disagree with his assertion that most overheating problems are caused by users.

The hardware is defective, an example of a largely software company having problems making hardware. I bet there are numerous examples here of 360's overheating with no user created issue. My 360 was in a well-ventilated , no door plenty of room on both sides entertainment center, in mild temperate Bellingham, Wash. with no overuse when it overheated in April.

If you go over to benheck, he had a post awhile back about the terrible airflow design the 360 has, something about the dvddrive being counted on as an airflow solution by microsoft.

Sean @ Aug 12th 2007 1:49PM

A lot of people associate the 360 noise to the systems fans. It's not - it's the DVD drive. End of. the 65nm processors wont vastly reduce the noise unless Microsoft add some sound insulation inside.

And to Teabag, about your Core2 setup at 3.2Ghz. The Core2 (and more so, Core2Duo) series are completely different to the PowerPC inside the 360. Core2's run at relatively low clock speeds as stock, as they're highly efficient. They also run incredibly cool. PowerPC processors have always been designed to have high clock rates. Plus, when they switch to the 65nm processor, it will run cooler than the current. So I fail to see what kind of point you're trying to make.

Outinthedark @ Aug 12th 2007 1:58PM

I just recently had to send my xbox back for the first time [funny it happened just about the same time one of you guy's died too]. I was planning on getting the Halo edition just because I did last time around and I'm a big fanboy of the master chief spending an extra $100 to upgrade from my old 360 doesn't sound bad with the new HDMI...[20 GB is more than enough for me...!]

But here's a question...are the halo editions going to have the new 65 mm chips..? That would sound like a deal breaker for me...if perhaps they are going with the 'silent release' for the 65 mm chips I'm going to wait until it is certain...I can live with my refurb xbox when it gets back...seems like forever now since I sent it off...I had to play God of War II this past week [never got around to playing it until now] even though I really wanted to play some Forza...I miss my xbox...!

RogueStorm @ Aug 12th 2007 2:13PM

What I find funny is that all these people are willing to wait for the 65nm version which is pretty much completely new tech and likely WILL have some kind of short term or long term problem. Waiting for the 65nm systems is no different than being an early adopter of the 95nm systems.

PS-I got my system November of 2005 and it's never had a problem. I leave it on day and night as a TiVO for my living room and then play games and movies on it when I get time. Never had a problem.

Toph @ Aug 12th 2007 2:33PM

Simply put, the 360 can heat up and RROD at anytime, under no strange circumstances or misuse from the user. Just ask Richard and Dustin.

Those that have experienced this know it all too well, and those that HAVEN'T can only assume and theorize that it's user-based. It's not. Of course, those that DO abuse the console will be much more likely to mess it up, but the bottom line is that the 360 heats up quite nicely, whether we do anything about it or not.

I keep mine horizontally aligned, sitting on two 360 game cases so it's elevated from a surface. During downloads and disc-play, I keep a fan blowing on the side of the console.

dead ted @ Aug 12th 2007 2:40PM

Toph, Exactly.

and that's why Heatsink+65nm chip will cool things down.

MYPS3KilledMy360 @ Aug 12th 2007 2:56PM

all we want is a dependasble console people may say the 4 to 6 week wait is ok for the great mostly ok games but honestly i rather be playing for those weeks instead of scanning over the box reading the back going omg im gonna have so much fun.

ForceUnleashed @ Aug 12th 2007 3:01PM

I don't think the 65 chip is that crucial. I've had my elite for 2 months now and its still doing perfectly fine.

And its well known that this "Falcon" crap won't improve the graphics or the gameplay of the system. So why should I have denied myself all the great games coming out this fall and from the last year.

In short if you're waiting for Falcon you're gprobably going to be waiting for a long time. And in the end you'll be disappointed when theres hardly any difference and ultimately you'll freak out even more once your 360 RRoD.

I hope it doesn't and chances are it won't. But if it does don't whine and bitch.

Supino @ Aug 12th 2007 3:02PM

It's sad that heat, noise and failure is holding back sales.

MS didn't deliver quality this time.. thats just sad.

oh heck, I love em' anyway.

ForceUnleashed @ Aug 12th 2007 3:08PM

Whats truly funny is that my Wii makes a shitload more noise than my Elite...

Frankly I love my Wii but I HATE the ridiculous clicking noises that it constantly spits out.

Matrk @ Aug 12th 2007 3:39PM

Hmm, this is REALLY bad news.

The major reworking of motherboard design that a 65nm CPU would require. (component pinout will be radically different, as the wafer is smaller, and hence the packaging will also be).

To produce a new motherboard design is a VERY costly operation.

What this means, this is a interim SKU.

Knowing how much retooling costs are involved, Microsoft will not be doing a small batch of these, and then sending out Falcons slightly later.

You can expect to see these units for another 6 months, and Falcons early next year at the soonest.

Urza @ Aug 12th 2007 4:05PM

No reasons to be cracking 360s open though. The boxes themselves say they're are't.

On the right side of every 360 box there's a label. As long as it says ZEPHYR on it, that means it's using the older chip.

So when it says something different, the chip's been changed.

MDJ2010 @ Aug 12th 2007 4:15PM

I dont blame users for their 360 failures but it amazes me that they can complain after going to no effort to increase the life of their console. The biggest problem is air flow, so put a damn fan on it, I mean even if you stick it next to your PC the external PC fans will filter away A LOT of hot air. The difference this makes alone is phenomenal (there are tests out there to be found if you dont believe me). Whilst we would love a 100% reliable console we know we dont have it, so just puyt a bit of effort in and you may never have to worry again!

Outinthedark @ Aug 12th 2007 4:22PM

@ ForceUnleashed

Your xbox is only 2 months old...you have no room to talk about this at all...

No duh the 65 mm processors have nothing to do with making the graphics better...this much needed upgrade along with the recently released new heat sink keep the console's heat down...

I have had my xbox from launch never a problem save for it freezing up on me once in a while...I just recently sent it in for repair out of the blue I got the RRoD which is mainly caused by overheating [in fact I don't think there is another reason]. I keep very good care of my electronics and this came out of nowhere as someone else has noted even the most cautious people are surprised by getting the RRoD.

Most of the people willing to wait for the new console are xbox owners already looking to upgrade [like myself]...and those that are waiting and don't own one already have every reason to wait...maybe everyone doesn't have such an expendable budget as yourself but I would wait a few months if something better is coming out around the corner...?

Is that not a fair assumption? Who would want to buy last years model when this years model is the same price and has an obvious advantage...? Why did you not buy the xbox when it came out? [I only know what you own by what you previously said of buying an elite]

Zeus the God @ Aug 12th 2007 4:44PM

For those of you waiting, STOP WASTING YOUR TIME! Just fucking buy one now. Its almost guaranteed that you WON'T have any over heating problems, especially with that new heat sink. I don't have that new fangled heat sink in mine, and I've had it since launch. I even left it on for 2 weeks on accident (on pause of course) when I went to Florida. When I came back, I'm like, "Oh shit, is it fried?" Nope. Just started playing where I left off. Its not going to over heat especially when I had mine in a confined space with nearly no breathing room, and it didn't.

There is no reason whatsoever to wait.

Outinthedark @ Aug 12th 2007 5:07PM

You have a wired controller Zues?

Zeus the God @ Aug 12th 2007 5:18PM

@OutintheDark:

Maybe Force Unleashed doesn't, but I do. I have a mid-night launch console and it was manufactured on the 12th of October, 2005.

Its not like random Xboxes are made to fuck up, and others don't. If you give it some breathing room, there won't be any issues with over heating.

Zeus the God @ Aug 12th 2007 5:19PM

Right now I do. I had the wireless one that came with my system (I got the premium package), but I accidentally stepped on it, and it broke.

Why, do you think I bought the Core, or something?

Outinthedark @ Aug 12th 2007 7:46PM

No the only reason why the xbox would stay on is if you had a wired controller is all hah...! I've left mine on for like 16+ hours but not two weeks hehe...

I still stand by my comment that if a newer better model is right around the corner...I would wait...if I was deciding to pick up an xbox now I would do my research and find out about these new consoles and personally I would hold out...plus 2 free games now with the newer systems...! Don't know if those bundles are out but that would be another reason to wait a few...$120 bonus come on you know you would wait for that too...[just an example of waiting for features]

Sol @ Aug 12th 2007 7:57PM

"It's not like random Xbox's are made to fuck up"

Actually YES IT IS. It's called manufacturing standard of error. In any and all processes there is some variance not only within the process itself, but also in quality control. When the variance is large enough, then you will have some units done perfectly, and others very poorly. By Microsoft's own admission though they have a DESIGN problem, so not only are some Xbox's made to fuck up, they are all leaving the factory with an end date far shorter than its 5 year lifecycle. It has been speculated that ALL xbox 360's will RROD before this console generation ends. Nobody has had a 360 for more than 2 years and already the failure rates are beginning to solidify at around the 30-40% mark.

I never believed it myself until my own unit RROD'd. I believe the only cure to the blind fanboism and holier-than-thou fucktards around here is for their own unit to crap out at the worst possible moment (such as when you just got Halo 3, or Bioshock) and I certainly pray that this would happen to a few of the jerktards around here! Pray to GOD mother*(&ers!

ForceUnleashed @ Aug 12th 2007 8:02PM

Keep praying Sol. I'm pretty sure that mine won't fuck up.

And the reason I didn't buy a 360 is because I usually only buy one console per generation and its always been Nintendo. However after researching both the ps3 and the 360 I decided that the 360 has a whole lot of awesome games that I want to play. In addition the great graphics didn't hurt either. And the ps3 is a ripoff in my opinion so I decided to get a 360. And thankfully I heard about the Elite and I just waiting a couple of weeks until it was released.

So theres my story. As for RRoD I think in some cases it is peoples fault. And in others its the companys fault.

But I don't think this Falcon crap is worth the wait.

Sol @ Aug 12th 2007 8:18PM

Forceunleashed you can keep being pretty sure that it won't RROD, it certainly isn't going to make the crappy design inside your 360 suddenly become first-class. It will RROD eventually, it's only a matter of time.

Why the &*( are you suddenly talking about great games and shit, wow damn you can't even stay on topic for christ's sake. We're talking about No Falcon in HDMI premiums and why that's A BAD THING or are you retarded or something.

I have a PS3, a Wii and a 360 (under repair) and I really couldn't care less which console has the most great games, since I'm filthy rich and I have all of them. This does not mean I tolerate bad quality, and the 360 most certainly is a poorly designed system. OFF TOPIC AND INCIDENTALLY, I do agree the 360 has the best games which is why I said I hope yours dies when you're in the first level of Bioshock so you can shut the hell up and admit being a stupid retard.

Zeus the God @ Aug 12th 2007 9:15PM

Yup, because there are two different assembly lines. Ones that build Xboxes that live, and ones that shortly die.

What are you Sol, retarded? Some of them may fail due to technical problems, but nearly all issues dealing with the 360 are heat related. That is the customers fault. Its not like the Xboxes choose what temperature they run at, and its not like they all run at drastically different temperatures when all put into the same situations. Its the consumer's faults if it over heats. Some people say that its really poorly designed for ventilation... Well, heres the thing... Xbox is using heat pipes, the secret to keeping high end graphics cards cool... And those heat pipes have heat sinks. Over those heat sinks is a shroud with fans that suck hot air out, and suck cool air in through all the other vents- maybe you don't realize this, but it is pretty damn efficient considering how small the heat sinks are- hence the reason they are adding another one in there.

"But I don't understand how that lone heatsink can do much"

Heat pipes, my friend. That brass tubing is a heat pip, and it takes all the heat and distributes it evenly through out it's length. That means that heat sink is doing quite a bit more than you think. That alone pretty much eliminates the over heating bit in most cases.

If you are going to buy an Xbox, you have no reason to wait for the Falcon chipsets. All you need is that extra heatsink. The Falcon chips are not going to cause any performance differences.

Zeus the God @ Aug 12th 2007 9:17PM

Sol, you're obviously an ignorant douchebag that knows nothing about computers, chipsets, heat elimination or cooling in computer systems.

The heat sink is all you need. If you take care of your console it will take care of you, so to speak. No RROD will occur if you keep it in a well ventilated area.

Sol @ Aug 12th 2007 10:42PM

Zeus you little fanboi idiot, let me explain something to you.. NEARLY ALL technical problems that occur with electronics ARE HEAT RELATED you imbecile. That is why manufacturers when designing such machines TAKE HEAT INTO CONSIDERATION to ensure their products do not die premature deaths in much the same way Xbox 360's do.

Since when have I ever said there are two assembly lines.. hi gtfo dumb ass, it's a DESIGN FAULT which microsoft in numerous interviews HAVE ADMITTED TO themselves. Their console is not handling heat properly, you would have to put it in a refrigerator while playing to completely circumvent RROD. GET THIS IN YOUR TINY BRAIN ITS A DESIGN FAULT DESIGN FAULT DESIGN FAULT.

And just to rub it in, since you're so dumb, there is more than one assembly line manufacturing xbox360's in fact there are multiple factories. Got that? But here's the rub, since your my little &*(, it doesn't matter because its a DESIGN FAULT, it could be manufactured in the moon it would still be a ticking time bomb because its design is flawed.

LOL at your heatsink comment, you can make the heatsink as big as you want it will not change the fact that a 65nm chip will run much cooler especially since those chips will ALSO HAVE THE SAME DAMNED HEATSINK.

By the way, that heatsink is not doing as much good as you think as Elites are still RROD'ing left and right.

I know this site is called Xbox360fanboy, but I think you've gone far beyond even that monicker into the world of retards detached from reality, you should be called Xbox360retard, or MS_Mascot.

Sol @ Aug 12th 2007 10:43PM

And by the way its plain obvious Zeus the Dumb = Zero Corpse. There's no way two people could have the exact same level of dumb.

Jman196 @ Aug 13th 2007 1:57AM

What the shit is taking them so fucking long

Outinthedark @ Aug 13th 2007 7:05AM

This is what happens when you give a spoiled brat a caps lock key...chill the hell out...

@ Force

See you did wait for the newer better model...though you even weighed the fact there was a price difference also...! Seeing as you just got yours upgrading would seem rather pointless until you started getting the RRoD's but that should even be for a long time given your just a tad but lucky...!

For me though I think it's an amazing wait as this is a much needed upgrade...and for those without an xbox I still think it's worth the wait...

@ Sol

You seriously cannot convey a point using the caps lock key...I suggest trolling somewhere else...even better take all that frustration out online with the other kids...I'm sure they would more appreciate it than anyone else here would...

MDJ2010 @ Aug 13th 2007 8:39AM

WHAT ARE WE YELLING ABOUT?!?!?!?!?!?

Seriously though, Sol you are right on one point, the REAl problem is the amount of heat these things push out and the fact that this heat doesnt really go anywhere, it lingers in your tiny framed console. However when you say youd have to put these things in a freezer to keep them cool you are very wrong. I urge people again and again to use an external fan pointing at the rear of your console to move all that hot air away. Should you have to? Of course not, MS should release a console that deals with air ventilation much better, but the fact is that they havnt. I have now done my own tests using a digital temp guage and the difference just having an external fan makes to the internal heat is phenomenal. If you dont beleieve me then please carry on as you are, for those that do believe me and act on it you just saved yourself some time/ effort and no doubt a few hundred notes in the long run!

12bouncyballs @ Aug 13th 2007 12:31PM

well all this talk about 360's overheating and the RROD makes me not want to get a 360

Sol @ Aug 13th 2007 12:34PM

@outinthedark: either you're a hypocrite or you really don't know what trolling means!

@MDJ: that is the ONLY point that could be made about why Xbox 360's 3RL, this heat is from a design flaw something that morons to this day continue to deny is an issue even though microsoft themselves have admitted that the flaw existed and continues to exist. it was comical when microsoft was in denial mode, but its now seriously just plain pathetic when they've freely admitted the problem. it makes me seriously think that if bill gates himself went to some fanboys house, punched him in the face and told him xbox 360's have heat issues and were 3RL'ing as a result, they'd still be coming on the forums whining about how that wasn't the real bill gates, or that he wasn't really talking about heating issues. i mean geez, gtfo some people are just plain retarded and without caps lock it simply DOES NOT GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS TO THEM. I am speaking here about Zeus the dumb and his alter egos.

I also dont know how you can come to your conclusion so easily, an internal temperature gauge does not measure the temperature accurately on all points on the motherboard. the biggest problem with what you said is that a japanese researcher has already exposed the reason why the GPU/CPU's are overheating, its because its located underneath the DVD drive squeezing circulation of air. No amount of external fan cooling is going to take care of that, you may be cooling part of the motherboard, but if the air is not circulating into the crucial GPU/CPU bgu.

My friend repairs these things for a living (im from a country where its not officially released, hence no warranty) and in order to bring the temperature down to acceptable tolerance levels an internal fan on the GPU/CPU heatsink forcing air to circulate into that area is the only solution apart from water cooling. Incidentally, the thermal paste applied to the chip to dissipate heat is not applied optimally by default and part of the process of fixing 3RL involved removing the paste and reapplying it to seal all air gaps for maximal heat dissipation.

So see Zeus, I know a hell of a lot more about computers than some blinded fanboy who enjoys baiting people into buying a defective product prematurely when they could easily wait a few months and get something 5x better from a heat standpoint which is what 65nm chips basically are.

Outinthedark @ Aug 13th 2007 6:43PM

I don't know how I haven't stayed on point in every single one of my posts...you continue to be an arrogant asshole...

Who said their wasn't a flaw in the case design and layout? You continue to bring it up when not a single person has tried to go up against your first statement...maybe instead of citing 'technician friends' as references and actually show people what your talking about...IE...

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20070801/137224/

They can read the info that they obviously missed and it would help you to prove your point so to speak...

Caps lock is not your friend...in fact it's no one's friend...it's the hiv of the internet...

Sol @ Aug 13th 2007 8:38PM

What the &*( is your problem outinthedark, you keep calling me an asshole when clearly your a worse one yourself. First of all, you don't even read posts properly, that article you posted IS THE SAME RESEARCH I WAS ALLUDING TO WHEN I MENTIONED THE JAPANESE RESEARCHER. Why do you think it mentions the DVD drive, the GPU/CPU heatsink, everything I mentioned in my post? I hope now you understand why I use caps lock, its because people like you don't know how to read!

Also, you must have missed the numerous posts by Zeus the dumb denying that there is a systemic design flaw related to heat with the Xbox 360's. This is in direct contradiction with microsoft said.

Not a single person mentioned it? HA, you drama queen. You obviously enjoy posting lies and bullshit just to make it appear your holier than thou. Bullshit! Learn to read or I'll continue to be an ass to you good day!

Outinthedark @ Aug 14th 2007 6:27PM

No shit there sherlock...telling me to read why don't you understand what I posted as well? I fully understand what you have posted and you obviously either don't understand what I have said...

I mentioned you should post where you have found your information rather than just blurting it out to have it rebuked...that's all I said...cite your resources...is that such a hard thing?

Zeus not once said anything against the console's design only about the processors not worth the wait...so re-read again there Sol...

Again 'continue to call you an asshole' would assume I have called you more than once an asshole...which until now that was an untrue statement...so my 'holier than thou' attitude is completely justified with an completely arrogant asshole like yourself...

If you haven't had your fill continue to post complete and utter garbage here...you have entirely gotten off topic and now you post just to try your hardest at insulting me...

ryan @ Aug 20th 2007 11:42AM

i have a very essential question? for those who are considering the xbox 360 halo 3 console[since its limitted] if for any reason the same issue occurs over the consoles duration how would microsoft plan to compensate those who have trade in their original xbox 360 just to get the halo 3 console? because i mean i would not trade or sell mine to get the limmited addition just to know within a matter of months or weeks ill have to for some reason resort to the old console.

muerte @ Aug 23rd 2007 3:06PM

I'm going to have to interject here, and give Sol a little support....here are a couple quotes from Zeus' previous posts clearly suggesting that there is no flaw in the design, so you might want to chew on this for a while Outinthedark...

"Its not like random Xboxes are made to fuck up, and others don't. If you give it some breathing room, there won't be any issues with over heating."

"nearly all issues dealing with the 360 are heat related. That is the customers fault. Its not like the Xboxes choose what temperature they run at, and its not like they all run at drastically different temperatures when all put into the same situations. Its the consumer's faults if it over heats."

it is now a known fact that Microsoft tried to cut corners in designing this system in order to get it out to customers faster and try to get the only advantage it could over the other systems, I own a wii and PS3 and both are flawless in design, I have my PS3 in an enclosed space with poor ventilation and have left it running for months at a time with no ill effects. The fact of the matter is the customer is not supposed to have to worry about the system overheating if it is left on too long, technology is advanced enough these days that a console should be able to handle the heat load it outputs, as is the case with the wii and PS3, I will get a 360 once they solve the heat problem, but this just shows the inexperience of Microsoft in designing gaming consoles....should have stuck with Windows, Bill