MGS4 takes a jab at non-HD disc formats
by Richard Mitchell 
{ Jun 9th 2008 at 5:30PM }
This is a momentous week for Playstation 3 owners. You see, Metal Gear Solid 4 comes out this week (perhaps you've heard). Metal Gear Solid 4 essentially is the game that will make the console. Apparently it's not enough just to make a good game, though. It appears that MGS4's creators feel the need to extol the benefits of the PS3 as you play. Alternately, one could argue that the game denigrates certain other consoles. Now, we're not trying to incite any flame wars here (though that's basically inevitable), and we know the video has tongue planted firmly in cheek, but it also smells ever so slightly of "inferiority complex." See the evidence after the break (note: MGS4 fans looking to avoid any spoilers should not watch). And remember kids, we're just the messengers.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
FanboyMorons @ Jun 9th 2008 5:39PM
What Microsoft gets for giving us prehistoric disk format.
RollTideRoll12 @ Jun 9th 2008 5:43PM
meh, we've been playing some DAMN good games for well over a year now, and we'll be playing more.
So it wasn't that huge of a loss, they'll do something for 2010.
D dogg @ Jun 9th 2008 5:54PM
That's really pathetic... and it COMPLETELY screws with any immersion.
What really bothers me is that developers are sure to be fanboy's (they are human afterall) but I expect that to be left out of their work; you know, be professionals.
This is not the fanboy in me saying this but rather someone looking at a great product and thinking, "Wow, that was childish / immature".
And it's a disc format, not disk. A: is a disk, D: is a disc (opitcal).
And FOR THE RECORD, was Blu-Ray and HD DVD out when the Xbox 360 was released!? DVD was and IS by no means prehistoric at this point. CD is venturing on prehistoric but even the CD has MANY pro's versus cons.
Bubs @ Jun 9th 2008 6:00PM
What is funny how you have to do 5 seperate installs throughout the game instead . I can swap a disc faster than those installs will take ... behold the power of PS3 !!!
http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/09/mgs4-install-times-revealed-kojima-makes-in-game-blu-ray-joke/
AoE @ Jun 9th 2008 7:12PM
"That's really pathetic... and it COMPLETELY screws with any immersion."
You mean like when Psycho Mantis rumbled your controller in the first MGS, and read your memory card for save games? Little jokes like these are part of the series.
MemphisNET @ Jun 9th 2008 9:57PM
2 points.
1st. The obvious.
2nd. This is basically in-game advertising, and is disgusting.. especially since they've already purchased the machine, the games, and to a lesser extent, the movies.
Magic Whiskey @ Jun 9th 2008 5:43PM
Damn it twice, Otacon!
(Haha)
I'm assuming Mr. Kojima-san is really enjoying his new sportscar, funded by Sony..
iFester @ Jun 9th 2008 5:44PM
Somebody order a flame-war combo? I wrote thos on my blog today. Purely satire of course.
_______
Microsoft claims the 360’s power and features go full circle on all aspects - including it’s ability to confuse the frak out of fans!
Rumors of Blu-ray integrated 360’s to be launched near years end to compete with Sony have been sending hope to fans not wanting to pay bloated marketplace rental fees for an inferior HD experience. Rumors would then be squashed only to return to headlines to be squashed again.
The truth - the Xbox 360 is a “work in progress” console with multiple personality SKU’s. Early adopters are just guinea pigs while Microsoft concentrates on it’s software library. Unfortunately concentrating on one’s software library leads to XBLA congestion and de-listing while hardware suffers “the ring”.
One insider source hints at “an E3 announcement” of a Blu-ray 360. Is the effort too little too late? How many SKU’s will be released until they get it “right” when people willing to wait on quality titles can go into a store this day to buy a Playstation 3 with everything they need for a true HD experience, minus in-game XMB and full featured online.
Are all these consoles really good for the market for us consumers to have a full featured entertainment experience? How many asses does it take to kiss to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Uniconsole? The world may never know.
Josh @ Jun 9th 2008 6:54PM
Different people want different things. I bought a 360 for the game library and the online service. The 360 has more than delivered on both aspects. Microsoft has done a phenomenal job with getting great games on their console and building a fantastic service with their dashboard and XBL. The only mistakes that Microsoft has made in this generation is A) not including a hard drive in all models and B) having reliable hardware. Not putting an HD media drive in the 360 was a smart move by Microsoft. It kept the cost of the console down and in the end, the company that profits wins.
Dralthi @ Jun 10th 2008 11:04AM
"The truth - the Xbox 360 is a “work in progress” console with multiple personality SKU’s."
Umm...and the PS3 has released how many SKU's since it was released?
Don't quote me on this but, first it was a 20GB SKU and a 40GB SKU with backwards compatibility, then a 40GB SKU and a 60GB SKU without backwards compatibility, then a 60GB SKU and an 80GB SKU.
Let's not forget that they just released the Dull Shock 3 a little over a month ago. And they still haven't integrated full featured online or in-game XMB and Home is STILL in development.
PS3 is very much a work-in-progress just as much as the 360. I'd say even more so since they've been late to the party with pretty much everything this generation.
Tier @ Jun 9th 2008 5:45PM
haha sony is just a little bit butthurt.....
chubytuby @ Jun 9th 2008 5:45PM
Wow that's stupid...It's not like master chief says ''ps3 sucks ass'' in the game. I found that cut scene unnecessary.
Big Filth @ Jun 9th 2008 5:51PM
come on man. that was no jab. thats a bit of a reach i think
rom @ Jun 9th 2008 5:52PM
I thought it was more of a jab against previous MGS games like MGS1/ps1, Twin Snakes/gc, and Subsistance/ps2....all of which were 2 disc games.
But I guess that's just me, huh?
druggedUK @ Jun 9th 2008 6:01PM
I'd perhaps agree if it weren't for the "PS3(TM) System" part, that just makes it seem like a jab.
Not that i'm too fussed - I love MGS too much to get upset with it. :D
James @ Jun 11th 2008 9:56AM
Yeah just you, let's ignore the fact that jokes like these are part of the series, and that rowing up on the internet getting angry at a joke is seriously immature.
Alaska Nebraska @ Jun 10th 2008 8:59AM
Yeah, that's...exactly what I was gonna say, too, considering MGS's disc history...I mean, there are a million ways to take that clip, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the humor was referencing the olden days as opposed to the status of current gens. XD
mcwattersm @ Jun 9th 2008 5:53PM
Sony had absolutely nothing to do with that.
It was funny, lighten up.
Alistair judson @ Jun 9th 2008 6:01PM
i see it as that as well, trust fanboys to read stuff into it thats not there
Benjamin09 @ Jun 9th 2008 5:53PM
That was pretty gay. Personally I don't give 2 sh*ts about having multi disks but that's me and i bought a PS3 pretty much just for this game.
Whooo you have blu-ray built in? do you want a cookie sony?
The_Game21x @ Jun 9th 2008 5:54PM
Well, that's certainly mature of them.
And I don't see why this was posted on Xbox 360 (keyword there) Fanboy...
Andrew @ Jun 9th 2008 6:00PM
They obviously just wanted to start a flame war. I saw this on PS3 Fanboy and knew it was only a matter of time before it showed up here.
Jcarpio @ Jun 9th 2008 5:59PM
Is this the same Blu-ray that hasn't taken advantage of the market since it won the format war?
deaftly @ Jun 9th 2008 5:59PM
It has nothing to do with the 360, its poking fun from a scene in metal gear solid 1 where you had to switch disc's. dummies.
Magic Whiskey @ Jun 9th 2008 6:05PM
That's actually a good point. Kudos, man.
Jcarpio @ Jun 9th 2008 6:09PM
in that case, why didn't snake just use a USB jump drive? he's supposed to be cutting edge, why wait for a 50 gig blu ray disc to burn at 2x speed..
deltaloko @ Jun 9th 2008 6:57PM
yeah you could be right....but I think that the heat should go on for a while and the games should think on their own....This "IS" going to be a great game you know
deltaloko @ Jun 9th 2008 6:59PM
*gamers
Sain @ Jun 9th 2008 8:00PM
Haha, good on you for pointing that out....but hey....when someone's insecure, they will definitely take it the wrong way! No?
superaktieboy @ Jun 9th 2008 6:01PM
lol quite funny xD.. but i highly doubt that was about the 360.. as rom said.. i think it was about MGS1 and technology.. it wasn't perse the xbox 360.. it think it was trashing the old technology in general..
greeeetzz
DeadlyFrenchman @ Jun 9th 2008 6:29PM
I mean this is probably the safest place 4 MGS4 fans to come if they don't spoilers, no more, muhahahaha.
Also i think every1 know that the comm thing would come up at least once in the game
JerkfacedFed @ Jun 9th 2008 6:06PM
yea richard mitchell, you are obviously not seeing the humor there.
the joke is to the old mgs fans of old who had to switch disks, and by the way i cant stand when people just call bluray disks a 'hd' format. its just a physical disk format, it has nothing to do with the content on it.
cd dvd bluray flash memory and hard drives can all contain sd and hd content on them the only difference is storage capacity!
Caleb154 @ Jun 9th 2008 6:09PM
Call me when you get an awesome huge disk format that reads fast enough to play a game straight from disk
i.e no instal times
@iFester rumors of a blu-ray 360 have been in the air since sony announced it would have blu-ray
*please people stop the rumors
fanboy wars = people trying to hide the flaws in there system of choice by pointing out the flaws in others
ps3 has its ups and downs
360 has its ups and downs
wii has boom blox and a whole lot of downs
get on with life play yours games and stop crying
iFester @ Jun 9th 2008 6:54PM
I admit to being a douche on purpose. I'm actually getting tired of all these rumors popping up where news blogs are starting to read like tabloids. Doesn't help that console fanboyism comes off as penis envy either.
Gamertag: GOPAL892005 @ Jun 9th 2008 6:08PM
they seem to fail to mention slow read speeds of the Blu-ray drive/disc so you need to duplicate the data & ALSO install onto the Hard Drive.
In engine cut scenes anyone? well u could if u had any faith in your game engine.
compression anyone? Fable 2 can be compressed from 800GB to just 8GB!
Se7enwolf @ Jun 9th 2008 9:09PM
wow look at the 360 fanboy backlash. ok let me clear some things up.
This joke is not clear weather its poking fun at the 360 or if its about MGS1 which is the only game in the series you HAD to switch discs to play. the other games had second discs with EXTRA content on them.
Also, the only install time that really matters, is when you first pop it in. The short ones in between are happening doing cut scenes and extra things so you're not just sitting there waiting for it to install, you're actually watching and doing something.
Who ever said Fable 2 was 800 gbs is insane. Fable 2 isn't even near 80 gbs, nor can a game really be compressed of that size down to 8 gb and still work the same. Its not possible
Gamertag: GOPAL892005 @ Jun 10th 2008 3:45AM
"Who ever said Fable 2 was 800 gbs is insane. Fable 2 isn't even near 80 gbs, nor can a game really be compressed of that size down to 8 gb and still work the same. Its not possible".
we'll it looks like your clearly wrong seeing as it was stated in one of the Fable 2 Dev Diarys that, because of their comression techniques, the game can be comressed to a 100th of its original size - i'm pretty sure it was Peter Molyneux that said it.
doom saber @ Jun 9th 2008 6:17PM
I think some ppl are reading the joke too closely to the point that they believe it is joke against the 360. When I heard of the joke, I thought it was in regards to the previous MGS games where it tells you to change disk during a codec conversation. Almost all the previous metal gear games had mutliple disk
Grimm @ Jun 9th 2008 6:18PM
Just the idea of an optical format being revolutionary is ludicrous. Let's trust a company who has created two other proprietary formats in the last 15 years. Let's see there was the betamax...wow that failed miserably to VHS and was better technology. Then we have the mini-disc...which was decent technology. I even owned several mini-disc players...me and three other people. Microsoft is smart for not jumping into this new optical format bullshit. In 2010 when we get the Xbox 3 with impeded USB ports for flash drives PS3 owners are going to realize how fucked they are.
doom saber @ Jun 9th 2008 6:21PM
Is it me or can anyone spot the fansboys who are insulted by this joke? I know I can.
I mean this game is not the first to do the change disk joke(Monkey Island 1 did a similar jab in askin the gamer to insert a nonexistant floppy disk.) I think the only folks who are madare the ones who are way into this mindless "console wars" thingy.
Xav de Matos @ Jun 9th 2008 6:27PM
Uh guys, clearly this is a shot at the nGage.
webster1990 @ Jun 9th 2008 6:27PM
hahaha obviously.
ugh i cant laugh, i bought an ngage on release date :/
haha
Xav de Matos @ Jun 9th 2008 6:29PM
I own two. The original taco and the newer one.
The difference is I got them free when I worked in sales. You paid for it? Poor bastard.
webster1990 @ Jun 9th 2008 6:27PM
i am okay with dvd discs, and not having to load game info onto the hdd to be honest. Also the only possible reason the game wont fit onto a dvd disc is the stupidly long cutscenes, i would sooner play that watch, i have movies for that. The storyline is stupid anyway
doom saber @ Jun 9th 2008 6:28PM
@Grimm
It is a freaking joke that pokes fun of the previous game and not the 360. You can cry all you want and take this joke personally as if they said something bad about your family or take it as nothing as ajab agasint the old metal gear games that ask for disc B or disk 2.
Vcize @ Jun 9th 2008 6:28PM
It's a funny jab but what's the point in not having to swap discs when you have to stop in the middle of the game to install new content 5 times?
Apparently at points where you previously would've spent 10 seconds to swap a disc, you now wait 3 minutes for another install (6 total in the game counting the one at the start).
slomo788 @ Jun 9th 2008 6:31PM
Hahaha the article and the comments are killing me. "Inferiority complex?" Hahaha Come on guys you can do better than that! Like, I don't know, "nananananana, at least we don't have installs that improve the experience" or "at least we only have a few games with multiple discs and PGR4 only had to remove the night/day cycles!" I didn't find the jab funny until I came here. I think this site has an inferiority complex actually. Had it ever occured to you that it might be a jab at Sony's own PS1? You know, since it's the only console where you as Solid Snake had to switch discs? But of course fanboys, give the joke some flesh. *wipes tears off face*
doom saber @ Jun 9th 2008 6:32PM
@Xav De Matos
LOL
Nah. I think this is a jab against the famicom disk machine. I mean you know that Kojima is not a fanboy with the old nintendo machine. LMAO
slomo788 @ Jun 9th 2008 6:33PM
@Vcize
Can you watch cutscenes while swapping discs? I thought so.
doom saber @ Jun 9th 2008 6:38PM
So true, Slomo. I find this article funny as well, which is why I am makin alot of comments.
But yeah, it is a jab against the Gamecube twin snakes game, as well as the original solid game for the playstation. I don't see this as a jab against the 360. I can see this as a jab if the dialogue had something like "Oh wait, this is the ps3 and not that other console with the X as the logo."
LOL