Bungie addresses Halo 3 NXE install performance
by Richard Mitchell 
{ Nov 19th 2008 at 3:45PM }
The answer lies in how Halo 3 loads map data. Each map is cached onto a certain part of the HDD that is reserved for game use. Once the game is installed on the HDD, it has to read the data on one part of the drive and write it to the reserved section. While data can be read from the DVD at the same time the HDD is writing data, the HDD can't read and write at the same time. As such, loading from the HDD takes significantly longer. Bungie advises gamers not to install the game, especially if you play online, as all other players will have to wait the extra time it takes to load and cache each map.
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flameofdoom666 @ Nov 19th 2008 3:48PM
They optimized the game too well! Damn! lol
Erik Stroud @ Nov 19th 2008 5:08PM
Haha, that's Bungie for you. They may take forever with games, but, they work well when released.
d889 @ Nov 19th 2008 3:53PM
the game works JUST FINE when playing online from the HD, seems more responsive in menus and the maps load perfectly.
wargamer17 @ Nov 19th 2008 3:57PM
Didn't seem to for me. I was pretty much red bar most of the matches, and i'm usually always green bar. Also, it actually froze at one point in the match. But ya, the maps load just fine before the match. Didn't notice any difference.
Bluestreak2 @ Nov 19th 2008 4:08PM
Can't wait for games to optimize themselves for the HDD like Halo3 optimized itself for the DVD..... wait a minute, don't we all make fun of PS3 fanboys that have to install all their games, OH SH...
Muzik I Addict @ Nov 19th 2008 4:13PM
bluestreak: yes, that's true. But we got one thing over the matter of downloading the game to the hard drive over ps3.. We got a choice ^_^. We controll what we want on our harddrives.
Kev. Not flaming anymore @ Nov 19th 2008 7:20PM
sadly we dont literally install the whole game in our hdd, AND its not on every game either prob. 30 percent of games, oh wait you have no free online play? 100 dollars for a wi fi adapter? horrible hdd ? oh wow sucks for u and dont pull that "ps3 has no games " because all u got thats decent is gears and halo, maybe crackdown but other than that they are all a joke.
Bluestreak2 @ Nov 19th 2008 7:35PM
@kev:
Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to incite any, "your games/console suck anyways" threads. I personally have no idea why people have to feel so strongly about it. You might want to check this out http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/34854/Sesslers_Soapbox_Get_A_Life_Fanboys.html
I just thought it funny that people made fun of games like Bioshock for the PS3 because it needs the install. Then here we are installing our games now going "YAY this is great."
Kev. Not flaming anymore @ Nov 19th 2008 8:15PM
sadly ur a fanboy your self so i wouldnt be talking
Muzik I Addict @ Nov 19th 2008 4:09PM
this seems to be the case with gears 2 as well. The map loads really slow on multiplayer now after Installing to the hard drive. Well...slower then usual on the new gears 2 multiplayer..*cough*slow/laggy as hell now*cough*. Man that was bad!
Morph @ Nov 19th 2008 4:13PM
Who plays Halo3 anymore? zzzzzzzzz
Andrew @ Nov 19th 2008 4:32PM
Well it's the third most popular game on XBL, so I would say a lot of people still play it.
Joshua @ Nov 19th 2008 4:13PM
Ever since Bungie Split from MS, support is lacking.
They already load DLC maps from the hard drive, so they have the code in place to load either way. They knew NXE was coming out, they would have been privy to beta issues. I heard the Halo 3 stuff a while ago before the first big wave of betas went out (had a friend who works at ms and has beta) ... no excuse to not have a solution already.
Turbo Choppa @ Nov 19th 2008 4:15PM
I have Gears 2 installed and the load times are a bit faster. Didn't notice any change in map load times and I only have 1.5GB free on the hard drive.
therpham @ Nov 19th 2008 4:36PM
Bungie's been doing this since the first Halo. They always copy the in-use map to the hard drive so it can load faster. I suppose it would make things snappier if the game knew it's on the hard drive so it wouldn't have to worry about that, but I'm not sure if the Xbox SDK allows software to obtain such information.
jrmtz @ Nov 19th 2008 4:37PM
What about people who played Halo 3 on the Core/Arcade? Where'd Bungie load the maps to without a hard drive?
Necrotix @ Nov 19th 2008 4:40PM
I think I will do this for Oblivion as the load times from CD really affected the immersion factor for me. Any word on how much drive space you need free for this?
SytheMaster @ Nov 19th 2008 5:53PM
6.7GB, leaving me with 1.26GB of hard drive space. Huzzah!
sach92 @ Nov 19th 2008 8:55PM
its a good improve ment.
Mark @ Nov 19th 2008 4:44PM
Does anyone know if you can install compatible original Xbox games?
Mazrael @ Nov 19th 2008 5:05PM
Only Xbox 360 games can install, IF you want to..
Vash @ Nov 19th 2008 7:14PM
No.
But you could have easily found out on your own.
Mokano40 @ Nov 19th 2008 4:56PM
I wonder if future games will be optimazed for this feature?
KenC @ Nov 19th 2008 5:18PM
Me and friends have tested this. Seems to be the same if you have plenty of room left on your hard drive when you have installed halo 3 (I have 65.4GB left) my friend with a 20GB drive after installation only has close to a 1GB left and he has the loading map issues where as I do not.
I think it depends on the space left on the Xbox that it can use to cache.
Derick @ Nov 19th 2008 5:30PM
Maybe they should patch the game to work better with the install.
If the maps are already on the Hard drive they don't need to be cached elsewhere...
EdgeOne @ Nov 19th 2008 5:39PM
Speaking of JUST DON'T, I might suggest that about the NXE... its really slowed my box down, giving me error messages when I try to access some features, and BUY and DEMO aren't highlighted till I leave the game then come back to it (if I don't get an error message first).
tenchimaniac @ Nov 19th 2008 6:08PM
It's because everyone is slowing down xbox live. I believe that the console won't load certain menus without getting all the content from live. So that means it waits for the content to finish downloading, even before your dashboard loads (or lets you do something, like play a game.) I've had it happen a few times, things should be better in a few days.
horngreen @ Nov 19th 2008 5:59PM
It's amazes me how much time people will spend trying to save time. In the end the time you spend laod Halo 3 onto your hard drive, going to a forum to bitch that it seems "slower", playing several games to see if it's just you, finally reading an article that it isn't just you but it's real, uninstalling halo 3 from the hard drive, digging out the disc and putting it back into the tray. In the end you would have saved NO time and probably lost time. I only have a 20gig so no installs for me anyway.
tenchimaniac @ Nov 19th 2008 6:12PM
It's fun to some people to try to get something to run faster. To me the big benefit is that the console is silent and I don't cause any wear on my DVD drive (besides the initial spend that checks the disc). Though I am afraid that HD installs may cause developers to be lazier with optimization, which won't be good.
tenchimaniac @ Nov 19th 2008 6:05PM
Great way to solve the problem Bungie. Will everyone be on the internets and read the warning or will Halo 3 be the first game they install because they want a quiet DVD drive? Hopefully they will come out with an update. Microsoft better had made a way so that games are aware they are being played on the hard drive. If so then the caching could be skipped, making load time faster from the HD. Can't Halo 3 be played without a HD? Then all that is needed is the game to play in that mode when it's installed on the HD.
Lisa @ Nov 19th 2008 7:31PM
wow whoever likes arguing over this ha no life, i mean come on your spending all ur day on xbox and now u have nothing better 2 do but argue online
PUSSIES WET
Sylvanus @ Nov 20th 2008 1:05AM
Has anyone else tried playing Gears2 from harddrive. Ever since I installed it on my harddrive, i'm noticing lag and pixelation when shooting guns. Instead of the nice smooth smoke graphics, i see large polygons so i'm tryna figure out if it's just me or others
SnakeOzilla @ Nov 20th 2008 7:39AM
Just a quick question, can you install more than one game at a time? (Sorry, I don't have a x360)
It would be nice to have this feature on the PS3 considering the PS3 has more space on average.
Larry @ Nov 20th 2008 9:40AM
Yes, you can install more than one game if you have the hard drive space. You will still need to have the game disk in the drive for a security verification.
Skyway Park and Bowl @ Nov 21st 2008 2:11AM
This really should be added onto the New Xbox Experience page up on wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live#New_Xbox_Experience
Does anyone want to add this?